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  ANOTHER CALL TO ACTION: Newspaper ad's?

  by 2escaped lifers in

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  i have been thinking about this for a while, and a couple recent events here on the board have solidified my thinking.

  first, seattleniceguy's triumph with the un posting a letter regarding the wts affiliation with the un.

  it just shows that with a little combined effort we can accomplish alot.

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  bttt again!
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  ANOTHER CALL TO ACTION: Newspaper ad's?

  by 2escaped lifers in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been thinking about this for a while, and a couple recent events here on the board have solidified my thinking.

  first, seattleniceguy's triumph with the un posting a letter regarding the wts affiliation with the un.

  it just shows that with a little combined effort we can accomplish alot.

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  bttt
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  ANOTHER CALL TO ACTION: Newspaper ad's?

  by 2escaped lifers in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been thinking about this for a while, and a couple recent events here on the board have solidified my thinking.

  first, seattleniceguy's triumph with the un posting a letter regarding the wts affiliation with the un.

  it just shows that with a little combined effort we can accomplish alot.

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  OK, that brings up a good question. How do we need to do the donation thing so that it is transparent and so that no one will think I am a troll and just wanting to pocket everyone's spare change (not that I would mind if everyone here sent me 5 bucks in the mail ).

  But seriously, advertising will take money, and it would need to be done with collected voluntary donations (aaaaarrrrrgggghhhh, did I just say that. Cult training....). How do we structure it so that everyone will feel comfortable donating?

  Any thoughts?

  Brandon
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  ANOTHER CALL TO ACTION: Newspaper ad's?

  by 2escaped lifers in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been thinking about this for a while, and a couple recent events here on the board have solidified my thinking.

  first, seattleniceguy's triumph with the un posting a letter regarding the wts affiliation with the un.

  it just shows that with a little combined effort we can accomplish alot.

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  Yes, I definitely think it could work. All of these ideas could be rolled up into one overall campaign that advertised links to all of the major web sites. Press releases to the newspapers and news outlets in each convention city might also be useful.

  The convention committees have been sending out press releases for the conventions for several years now, so our following that up with our own press release might give the news folks the "conflict" that they so often look for in a story. It would at least prompt them to ask some tough questions when they show up with the cameras at the convention.

  Yes, this can get expensive. It will have to be a group effort, financially. We would have to start small, but as it gained momentum and actually started showing results, I bet more and more of us would participate.

  I have experience in ad layout, copywriting, and graphic design. So we could play with different ad designs until everyone here agreed on a few good ones to start using.

  Any other thoughts? I think we might be on to something here...

  Brandon
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  Bad News Today

  by cruzanheart in

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  my mom's nursing home called today to tell me that the doctor recommended that she go on hospice care.

  they said she has entered the last stage of alzheimer's and is not taking in nutrients, just liquids.

  i'm going there tomorrow morning to fill out the necessary release forms.

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  ((((((Nina and family))))))

  My grandmother is also entering the last stages of Alzheimers. It is tough to watch. Our thoughts are with you.

  Brandon
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  ANOTHER CALL TO ACTION: Newspaper ad's?

  by 2escaped lifers in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been thinking about this for a while, and a couple recent events here on the board have solidified my thinking.

  first, seattleniceguy's triumph with the un posting a letter regarding the wts affiliation with the un.

  it just shows that with a little combined effort we can accomplish alot.

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  bttt
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  How YOU Humiliate the Watchtower (4/1/04)

  by metatron in

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  take a good look at the april 1, '04 watchtower, with its garish 'wild beast' on the cover.. now, wouldn't this be a perfect opportunity to show a picture of the un building being .

  destroyed at armageddon?

  wouldn't be a good idea to blast the churches of christendom.

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  Great Post!!!!
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  ANOTHER CALL TO ACTION: Newspaper ad's?

  by 2escaped lifers in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been thinking about this for a while, and a couple recent events here on the board have solidified my thinking.

  first, seattleniceguy's triumph with the un posting a letter regarding the wts affiliation with the un.

  it just shows that with a little combined effort we can accomplish alot.

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  Thanks! All very interesting ideas and comments. Keep 'em coming!!!

  Brandon
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  ANOTHER CALL TO ACTION: Newspaper ad's?

  by 2escaped lifers in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have been thinking about this for a while, and a couple recent events here on the board have solidified my thinking.

  first, seattleniceguy's triumph with the un posting a letter regarding the wts affiliation with the un.

  it just shows that with a little combined effort we can accomplish alot.

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  I have been thinking about this for a while, and a couple recent events here on the board have solidified my thinking. First, seattleniceguy's triumph with the UN posting a letter regarding the WTS affiliation with the UN. Way to go! It just shows that with a little combined effort we can accomplish alot. Second, someone posted recently asking about the schedule for the summer conventions, and it planted a little idea in my head.

  Now, before I mention the idea, let me give a little background behind my thought process on this idea. First, who is it that we want to reach with the message that the WTS is a dangerous cult. That's easy, existing members who we want to help out, and possible future members whom we want to warn "stay away!". So, basically, this includes every human on the face of the planet. The problem is, though, that the first group, existing JW's, will not listen to us at all, because we are "apostates". The second group just doesn't have JW or WTS issues on their radar until one shows up at their door - JW's are an afterthought or a joke on Jay Leno to them, so they just don't care. That is, until a co-worker, relative, or publisher on their front porch starts talking to them about Paradise(tm).

  So, how do we get the word out. The Internet is an amazing tool, and has helped possibly tens of thousands of us to see the real truth about the "truth". But you have to be actively LOOKING to find these web sites. Again, the active JW's will not touch the "apostate" web sites. Others, as mentioned before, are simply non-interested, so they most likely won't find these web sites either.

  So, how do we more effectively get the existing JW's to at least start questioning their beliefs and the reliability of the WTS, and how do we warn potential "victims" without spending hundreds of millions of dollars on Super Bowl or World Cup Soccer television advertising?

  Well, here comes my idea: With pooled funds donated by us ex-JW's, we advertise in the largest local newspapers the two weeks surrounding each district convention. We follow the conventions around the US and World with our ad campaign. The ad's could be as simple as something like this:

  This weekend there will be XX,000 people gathered in your community who <Insert any of the following>:

  Believe you and your children will be murdered by God because you don't go to the Kingdom Hall.

  Plan on living in your house and using your things after you and your family are dead.

  Used to believe that <vaccinations, sliced bread, aluminum, etc.> were wicked and from the Devil.

  Believe that they are the only people on earth who <are approved of by God, have the Truth, show love, etc.>

  Protect the anonymity of pedophiles and ignore or threaten the victims.

  You see where I am going with these. What does this accomplish? Well, it alerts the community to the arrival of the convention and of their wacky and dangerous beliefs. Secondly, imagine the following conversation at a restaurant after one of the convention days:

  JW seated at table: "Hi, we're here for a religious convention and I would like to ask you a question..." as she pulls out a tract.

  Waitress: "Oh, are you a Jehovah's Witness. I read something in the paper about you folks. Why did your religion join the UN when you believe its wicked and controlled by Satan?"

  It will force the rank and file to start addressing these issues, or at least hearing them for the first time. And each time someone starts asking questions, the WTS armour of secrecy starts cracking.

  Well, what do you fine folks think? Looking forward to seeing if we can pull something like this together and start causing the WTS some pain on a large scale (and most importantly, start getting JW's to start questioning things!).

  Brandon Bartlett
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  The Effeminate JW man

  by Maverick in

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  time to pick on the guys!

  i was an adult when i was conned into the corporate cult known as jehovahs witnesses.

  before that time i hung with a rough crowd of guys who carried guns and did bad things to people they didn't like, or who were stupid enough to let these guys know they disliked them.

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  Yes, I also had this impression over the years. Not necessarily effiminate (physically), but weak in the sense that many were, as one person has already said, "sheep". I knew alot of brothers, even in positions of oversight, who were afraid to make decisions or disagree with anyone, or to stand up for their own opinions. Of course, that is probably due to the WTS being a controlling cult.

  On the other hand, I also knew quite a few "control freak" rednecks who made a point of trying to be a "man", or macho and in charge. IMO this was also really a sign of weakness, or their insecurity. They also felt it was "weak" to show compassion, kindness, tenderness, etc. IMO those things are a sign of strength of character. It is the strong who have the emotional strength to consider the feelings of others and to console those in need, without worrying about how others view them or whether their compassion calls into question their "manhood".

  Anyway, I'll stop there before I go too far on my "soapbox"...

  Brandon Bartlett